packed size on 12 man

[wisam]

I'm looking for my first hot tent and am considering either a 8 or 12 man tipi. It will primarily be used as a base camp anywhere from 1-3 miles from the car so weight isn't a huge issue.

Anyone have any pics of the packed size of the 12 man?

Thoughts on the 30 vs 70 denier? I plan to use it with kids at some point so durability is an issue but not sure if the 70 denier is necessary or not.

Any issues heating a tent as large as a 12 man with an XL stove?

[kevin_t]

Here you go

[Backpack Hunter]

How much more durable is the 70d vs. the 30d fabric?

[wisam]

I'm wondering the same thing regarding 30 vs 70d. I've never had problems damaging tents I the past but I would like to use the tent with kids and a dog someday. At the same day the 70d looks like a 4 lb hit which is substantial since I always carry camp on my back.

[kevin_t]

This is a hard question actually. Personally I've never had an issue with the 30d and I've even had goats walk on it , and in it without much regard. Personally I think it's a matter of care and preference. If I had an70d available and was taking goats I would take it, because I know they are nosey and don't care if they walk on it. If it is always on my back , not a pulk it's 30 D every time to save weight . If its primarily car camping with a family dogs playing frisbee etc , then i would probably go 70d. I hope I'm clearer than mud it's just different people prefer different things. For instance with packs I could probably go cuben and be fine for years , and just take some care in canyon country, however I could also use Vx42 and just not worry about it and carry a few ounces extra. Me personally ? Ill go cuben for now, however if I said this is an expensive piece of gear and I don't really want to be careful ( or I did haul roping on rock faces ) then id go the heavier fabrics for maximum life span.

I wouldn't say that lighter fabrics really require more care, especially when you control the situation, I'd say they cause less stress when you don't control the complete saturation.

Make sense ?

[kevin_t]

BTW 70d tan , in a 12 man without pole but including stakes is less than 10 lbs.

I would say its about a 3 lb difference in a 12 but perhaps a tad more. We try to overstate most things , because the truth is everything can be off by an ounce or two based on a lot of variables. We try to be really accurate , but provide a small margin for error

[swisski]

Would somebody be able to provide the packed size on an 8 man? Dimensions or pictures are helpful, thanks!

[kevin_t]

Which fabric ? I can give you stuff sack size, although realistically with good packing it is about half size. In 30D without screens, you can get it pretty small. A 6 person tipi packed can be about 14 by 10 by 6 without any compression (850 CI). An 8 person is probably 10000 CI.

[kevin_t]

8 man tipi stuff sack is 20 long 30 diameter , a 30d tent without screens fits easily

[swisski]

Thanks Kevin. I should have specified, but I was curious on the 30D and without screens.